The council member visited the area on a public safety tour earlier this year
The Seattle City Council effort to renew exclusion zones in Seattle targeting drug crime and prostitution could include a new Capitol Hill “Stay out of Drug Area” stretching from Harvard to 11th Ave including Cal Anderson Park.
Under the proposal, the SODA zone here would be “established as the area of the Capitol Hill neighborhood bordered on the north by East Thomas Street, on the south by East Union Street, on the east by 11th Avenue, and on the west by Harvard Avenue.” It would include the popular park, the busy Capitol Hill Station light rail and transit facility, and the areas around the Harvard Market shopping center as well as the core of the Pike/Pine nightlife scene.
The Capitol Hill proposal from District 3 representative Joy Hollingsworth is set to be considered Tuesday by the council’s public safety committee as it shapes chair Bob Kettle’s legislation to restore zones scuttled by the city four years ago with renewed locations in Little Saigon and around 3rd Ave and Pike.
It comes amid what Hollingsworth has said will be multiple efforts to address crime, drug use, and homelessness around the Broadway and Pike/Pine core including investments “reinvigorating” Cal Anderson Park.
Hollingsworth has also said her office is starting discussions around extending a similar program to the $15 million-a-year Downtown Seattle Association’s ambassador program up into Pike/Pine that would put workers onto streets to help keep sidewalks and alleys clean and deal with low level public safety issues. That program could be paid for by fees levied on nearby businesses and properties.
While not addressing the SODA proposal directly, Hollingsworth told CHS last week that one of the many lessons from her recent personal travel to Amsterdam was what she saw as an emphasis on public safety and cleanliness in densely populated city areas. Hollingsworth said, like Amsterdam, Capitol Hill is “a gem” that must be protected.
Broadway at Pike’s street disorder issues loom large. This summer, the city identified the area as it made the list — twice — for Seattle’s top areas for Crime and Overdose Concentration according to the Seattle Police Department.
The proposed new 2024 SODAs
Seattle’s previous SODAs covered much of the city until 2010
The Cal Anderson-area designation would allow a judge to bar drug offenders busted in the zone from reentering the area for up to two years. A SODA order can also be imposed as a condition of release from jail.
Violating a SODA order would become a new gross misdemeanor, punishable by up to 364 days in jail and a $5,000 fine.
According to the amendment memo from Hollingsworth, the Seattle City Attorney’s office has confirmed that her proposed Capitol Hill SODA would be legal under the legislation which requires that the zone be “narrowly tailored to encompass areas of significant illegal drug activity;” and law that requires placement of SODA zones only “where drug sales, possession of drugs, pedestrian or vehicular traffic attendant to drug activity, or other activity associated with drug offenses confirms a pattern associated with drug trafficking.”
City Attorney Ann Davison maintains renewed SODA enforcement in the city will differ from past enforcement with better, smaller, more-focused zones that are shaped to avoid areas with supportive housing and services.
CHS reported here on the renewed SODA effort in the city including the LIttle Saigon and 3rd and Pike zones and a new zone along Aurora hoped to target prostitution crimes in the area.
In addition to the Hollingsworth amendment to create a Capitol Hill SODA, additional proposed zones will also be on the committee’s agenda including an expansion of the International District zone, and adding a Belltown zone, a Pioneer Square zone, and a University District zone.
The cost of the renewed and expanded SODAs is up for debate. A fiscal analysis included with the proposed legislation by council staff concludes the changes would not have a “financial impact” on the city despite the increased levels of enforcement and legal process they would bring.
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If you thought things at Broadway Market QFC were bad before this…
Yes, there has been significant activity (clusters of drug users and dealers) around the Broadway Market QFC for at least a year now. The SODA should be extended north to E Roy St.
QFC and that block are much better now, I’m there daily. Exterior security at QFC disrupted that market and it seems to be back to normal.
Not in the evening, it gets much worse after dark
Yes, you’re right….improved, but likely to return.
For weeks, there was an old van parked continuously (in a no parking zone) on Harrison (south side of the market), and it obviously was a focus for all the drug activity. It’s gone now (? towed) and so have the addicts which hung out in and around it.
Much better? You’re joking! There are regularly people curled up on the seats at the bus stop so you can’t even sit there anymore. Trash all over the sidewalk from BW Mkt bldg to the street. People openly using drugs; saw that yesterday when my friend walked me to the store at 5:30 pm — not after dark. Broadway in general has become a literal cesspool.
Wouldn’t the drugsters, just go to another area. If still not trying to go there anyway.
Yeah it disrupts the open air drug market and dispersion is better than concentration. Any law or court order can be violated but that doesn’t mean we should just cater to people who don’t follow rules by ceasing to make them. We’ve tried that the last few years. The question isn’t whether people will perfectly comply but rather what information is revealed when people can’t follow a legitimate court order and what accountability and support our system puts in place.
This one law in isolation is not a complete solution to a disaster that has been over a decade in the making.
yes, this is the near term solution, not waiting a decade for a fraction of the necessary housing
The solution to homelessness and public drug use is public housing and housing first policies…aka WHAT THEY DO IN AMSTERDAM.
It isn’t just an Amsterdam thing, though–the Dutch decriminalized drugs at the national level & there is a very robust social safety net in place that actually gets effective treatment to people suffering from addiction that we simply do not have here and a VERY different criminal justice system. Most people don’t even get to the point of needing that help there though; in 2022 a study showed that the Netherlands is the only EU state whose minimum income keeps people out of poverty & as we know, poverty & addiction are closely tied together.
That said, I definitely agree that more housing is super important & that we need to see better policies put in place here. Obviously, the root causes of poverty & addiction aren’t being addressed by these proposed policies either. It’s just unfortunately a much more nuanced issue that needs to be addressed at a lot of levels of community & governance.
America is not about to create a social program to help people be on drugs. And unless you are going to make it lucrative for the staff to care for the facilities ain’t no body gonna wanna just work for a housing facility like the ones described above. Help is a thing, but Seattle is expensive. Something’s gotta give.
The council keeps developing more and more like a nuance-free hammer. They act mostly like they lack the depth to read to form opinions. I find Joy’s recent self-revelations of naivete about the rest of the world especially disturbing since everyone wrongly seemed to be hanging their hopes on Joy.
I think she’s doing great and can’t wait for this to be implemented.
I agree. All this dumping on Joy because she ain’t Kshama.
I agree. Thank you, Joy!!
go Joy go!
Sorry but slightly incorrect – the Netherlands have not decriminalised drugs. Soft drugs are merely tolerated. A lot of EU countries also have a policy of housing AND being strict about drug use/sale and having better programs for addicts to try and get clean, including stronger mandatory treatment/confinement policies. Unsupervised free housing by itself, for a certain subset of the homeless population (and that’s what I predominantly see out on the street around Broadway – the ones that do seemingly have drug related and mental health issues), is not going to work. That part of the conversation is like beating a dead horse.
You are correct. And many countries require you’re in a treatment program to qualify for housing. There are many things we can do but they cost a lot of money
Housing takes time. We need solutions now. We need both immediate term drug enforcement AND long term mass housing.
They don’t have a fentanyl and meth crisis in Europe and open air drug markets are not tolerated like this.
When the prog left council passed JumpStart they didn’t fund a public housing scheme for the chronically homeless. What they did is fund housing non-profits that build/buy 900k units at a drip rate for people who are low income but homeless.
Further, public housing without wrap around support will lead to a spike in overdoses, it’s already happened when tried, and now the goal has moved to “permanent supportive housing” rather than “housing first”. No one talks about how the goalposts have moved even supporters like yourself. And of course PSH is even more expensive and even more difficult to cite. Because the council was in full anti-stigmatization mode when JumpStart passed they did not meaningfully fund treatment or permanent supportive housing.
We should pursue building most PSH and mental health/drug treatment but at the same time we cannot wait for utopia before ensuring the neighborhood is safe for everyone.
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Right…But it’s slaves and racism. It has not gone out of style. They are under served because they are underpaid. Taxes pay for services. Red states are taker states. We not only must fix our issues. We must fix Red states issues as well. 33 billion to be exact. We could do everything we wanted with that money. So there’s one hand tied behind our backs.
All that said? This does solve issues. They are hot spots so added attention is needed. Supply and demand.
Also? It just scatters them across the land. Supply and demand. Location location location. Ya gotta know where to score and not get busted.
Also? All the work we’ve put in to change the culture in the East Precinct and across America will pay off. Less lawsuits means safer citizens. I’d like to see everyone treated with respect. What if us Marines went around abusing people? We’d have serious issues globally, as a nation. So local outrage is normal. We still have work to do. But progress has been made for sure.
The issues are not mutually exclusive. We can do everything on the table. Everything needs to be on the table. Breaking laws by anyone is not on the table.
Many of the addicts that frequent my local neighborhood park have transitional housing, now. They are choosing to use in the park and camp out. Mind stopping by and asking them to go home and use in their ‘funded by us and free to them’ apartment?
Do they not do this in Amsterdam? Are you sure?
I know they’re looking at recriminalization there.
OHH, so you mean the same old inhumane “solutions” that have never worked.
Got it! Keep living a fantasy, Reality.
They seem to work fine in NYC
What if they happen to live there?
Where, a park or rail station? If so, get the eff out then I guess? 🤷♂️
Yup.
So Hollingsworth doesn’t want to increase minimum wage because it would be a burden on small businesses in the area, but she’s fine charging them for a taskforce to sweep out people in crisis?
Is she just making this up as she goes along?
Yes
Please extend to Roy
Yes! It would help if people contacted Joy ASAP to urge her to do this. Her phone number is 206-684-8803 and her email is: Joy.Hollingsworth@seattle.gov
Well the point of this is to creat safe passage and usage of Seattles public spaces. But yes if you thought Broadway was gonna look a mess… and all those poor quiet neighborhoods. So many spots to hide and do unsavory things.
Our formerly quiet neighborhood with a Seattle park is already a drug and camping area. At any given time there are 5-15 users hunched over smoking either in open or under umbrellas. I can’t imagine what this will do to the area. It’s already unbearable now with the dealing and users in constant crisis. It’s hard hearing the screaming and assault that happen almost daily. ..yet so many people shrug and say there is nothing to be done.
Yikes, that means little Williams Park on 15th and John will increase in dealing and drug use, a lot of activity there every day.
I want this implemented yesterday, and expanded tomorrow.
That’s called redlining. That has never went terribly wrong.
That’s not what redlining was.
Something tells me this zone isn’t gonna change anybody’s chances of getting a mortgage.
Regarding comments about Amsterdam, I agree that it is difficult to compare US housing issues and many other circumstances to Amsterdam and other countries than the US due to the fact that Amsterdam and others are often much more socialist with rental property being publicly owned and owner-occupancy being require for property that is privately held.
I plan to contact her office regarding these drug and sin free zones. In the past such efforts to clean up downtown and other areas often led to the undesirable activities being pushed into the neighborhoods including the Central District and South Seattle.
Certainly there are many areas in South Seattle deserving of violence and drug free zones based on statistics. All neighborhoods deserve to be safe and protected as well. Given last year’s recent shootings in the Garfield and Chief Sealth areas, neighborhoods where students and schools are located deserve attention. Don’t all neighborhoods and residents deserve this safety? There are other areas of the city much at risk if the activity is just pushed to another area.
It’s an apples-to-oranges comparison. People are saying ‘Amsterdam’ but the reforms in the Netherlands were at the national level. They;’ve also not actually decriminalized drugs, just made treatment mandatory (and so widely available that this can work). They’re also not silly enough to try and build “public” housing in the most expensive neighborhoods of their cities, and treatment centers are often in the boonies comparatively.
Bingo and thank you.
Glad our politicians are paying attention to the major problems that stem from drug use in the streets. But I don’t see how this policy will do anything but push the problems to blocks outside the SODA zone.
Both of these ideas are excellent! Kudos to Councilmember Hollingsworth. Pike/Pine especially around Broadway has degenerated remarkably in last 5 years. Having the Downtown Seattle Association clean graffiti and the streets in this area would be a massive help! As would counter hard drug enforcement.
Politically expedient, little to no cost proven failure of a solution. When implemented, tends to develop racist overtones at enforcement.
Capitol Hill used to have all the cool drug addicts.
It’s almost like Joy doesn’t know the history of the neighborhood she’s representing.
And why do you think this?
I’ve lived on Capitol Hill for nearly 20 years?
There’s no such thing as a “cool drug addict”. Call me old-fashioned, but I don’t like drug addicts.
What a stupid thing to say.
Sadly, yet another well-intended government idea that completely misses the point and helps no one, really. Like the homeless, let’s just keep pushing everyone in crisis around w no immediate humane but required interventions; hence the next area they congregate to looks to be added to the drug free/camp free zones. How does anyone think this makes any remote logical sense?! And humane is important vs us always asking the stupid questions judging why the homeless don’t want the ridiculous system of temporary shelters or tiny homes which provide no true stability or drop of respectful care. And drug use has become a nightmare for the addicted and all of us who have to inhale the vapors and fumes, and deal with the mentally ill who also aren’t humanely cared for and just left on the streets. Doing the same thing over and over is truly the mark of stupidity in our society. The way we have formed “economy” vs community certainly is destroying our quality of life. But we must remain clutchers of individual wealth vs everyone literally being equal in worth and care. We clearly demonstrate how stupidly inhumane we are.
This is trying something new: accountability
okay…That was helpful
Absolutely correct. Accountability and let’s lose the performative leftist crap.
“Zones” like this have been tried time and time again and they never work. I guess it’s been long enough since the last time we gave up on one that it’s time to start the cycle over.
Define “never work”. I think in the past when these things were operating things were a lot better here.
The problem is that one side will say this about every drug policy change except the ones that remove accountability and lead to skyrocketing crime and overdoses
There’s an open air drug market on Broadway that affects my family and my neighborhood. This bill targets it. The alternative one hears is building public housing and hoping people don’t overdose in them. Which of this will help in 12 months?
I’m sure there will be a book one day describing these new zones as a failure. I suspect that will have almost nothing to do with my experience as a law-abiding citizen walking around with a baby, but will rather focus on the suffering that tragically occurs when someone’s sole purpose in life is chasing an addiction. We need to look at both what helps your typical citizen in addition to how accountability drives people toward services.
If there’s an open air drug market that is operating routinely, it should be pretty easy for SPD to arrest those people over and over and over and charge them with dealing. Is that not happening? I wonder why. A half dozen cops can show up to stand around a shooting scene doing exactly nothing and talk openly about how much overtime they’re collecting. Seems like, short staffed as they are, they could manage to throw together a dozen officers to pop by and arrest a bunch of dealers openly doing their thing on the street.
Which is also all that will happen with this policy; except the buyers will also just get more expensive fines and spend time in shitty private jails that cost the public more than actually addressing the problem intelligently (housing, treatment, sanitation, public services that benefit everyone).
This policy -might- (and heavy emphasis on might, generally these policies don’t really do much besides heap debt on people who can’t pay it anyway) benefit your family by relocating the unsavory activity. But that’s all its going to do, so you’ll benefit and someone else will deal with it instead. That’s not a real solution.
As a society we really need to stop looking for quick fixes to systemic problems that developed over decades.
Feels like things were better before we eliminated these…so maybe they did in fact work?
So if you get caught with drugs, you can no longer ride transit or use the park?
I don’t know what Amsterdam Hollingsworth visited but it’s not the one with sensible drug policies & robust social services. Can we please send her back and leave her there until she actually learns something? She’s not doing anything good for the people here.
Yes a tax paid trip to Amsterdam… we are totally of the same culture and make of Germans. Like in every way… so just copy past right???
I visited Vienna last summer. It was a nice trip, but I was sad I didn’t get to see any kangaroos.
Did you know they import them from Zimbabwe?
I completely agree.
Yes, sending a council member to visit and study abroad is the same as what the Germans did, not the classifying certain citizens as 2nd class and throwing them in jail if they set foot in what are otherwise public places.
>has an opinion about Amsterdam’s policies
>thinks Amsterdam is in Germany
I wish people would forget about this Amsterdam analogy. The EU doesn’t have (yet) the same fentanyl, meth and tranq problem the US does. People are not doing drugs that literally make them go psychotic in public and forget any sort of societal contract and throw rocks at cars on the freeway, wander in public naked, crap in bus shelters, or shoot pregnant women in cold blood because they were having a ‘crisis’ And can we please stop calling being high as f*ck and a menace to society a crisis? One time – sure, we all make mistakes and people have breaks. But again, and again, and again, it’s being a menace to society.
Driving past 12th and King Saturday night reminded me of a Breughel painting – literally the darkest sins of the soul on display. I can’t imagine how the neighborhood deals. At this point I think most Seattle-ites, even of the most liberal stripe, are over the coddling of street drug abusers, and the insane mess they are making of our city. There seems to be no sense of fairness about it, where they get to exercise (yes, I mean exercise) their demons in public while people going about their day face the consequences of that absolute depravity. IMO the entire city should be a drug free zone.
I’m no stranger or prude in regards to drug abuse, believe me, but the daily horrors one sees now when walking the streets of Seattle is like something out of dystopian sci-fi novel (such as our very own Octavia Butler). I’ve walked by what looked to be a 70 year old man helping a fourteen year old kid shoot up, steps from the KC Courthouse. That’s just the tip, and most everyone has an outrageous story to tell, including my own young children. Old friends who are ex-junkies can’t believe how bad it is compared to when it was ‘just’ heroin. This proposal is something at least, but per biz as usual in this town, will probably involve more meetings to implement than any actual enforcement. My prediction is it will be just another sad joke on this fair city of ours.
I guess we don’t care to look at the U district. Move the problem around.
Some call it an “open-air drug market,” and I call it de facto rent control. Someone has to keep property values down around here, housing is already expensive enough.
Lemme know when real estate property values drop due to drug dealing and encampments on Capitol Hill. Units still sold in my area with a massive stinky rat invested encampment and the buyers didn’t really seem to care. ..it was more ‘what the parking like in this area and can we find a close space to rent?’
I have a very bad head cold at the moment so not sure I’m understanding this correctly. Are these zones to become drug free areas by ambassadors or designated safe areas to do drugs? If it’s the latter, that is already the case…and yes, silly for me to think that but many of the councils ideas make no sense to me anyway. If these areas are going to be monitored or policed, the problems will just move over a block or two, right? Into the neighborhood streets where we live, outside our buildings. Lest, we not forget the drug market/camp in front of the Goodwill for months with no city involvement. Residents, business owners and employees were calling to complain daily (myself included) and the city said it wasn’t a priority. Not even after a shooting. I’m going back to bed.
Thank you, I was way off, lol. ZZZZZzzzzzzzz….
So you have to get caught once, processed, told this place is off limits, and then dare to walk through the area again with potential notice by officers on patrol stationed there…
And this is the big plan to clean it up to own satisfaction.
Okay, I guess I’ll just see who is holding by City Market then?
This just… isn’t going to work. The cops know exactly where people doing and selling drugs hang out already, they just don’t feel like doing anything about it. Now we’re asking them to stop and frisk these same people they could already just arrest for public drug use, and see if they’re on some list of banished individuals? Maybe they’ll get enough of a power trip out of the ability to punish people pre-trial that they’ll actually start doing their jobs?
Talk to an officer. Their hands are tied. They take direction from their leaders on what actions they should and shouldn’t take.
I don’t think I would take a cop’s word for it.
Being able to arrest people for simply being present in a place will make the Officer’s job much easier. Still, the key will be prosecution and imprisonment for offenders. If the city attorney’s office can prosecute these crimes and the city has sufficient jail capacity, the situation could improve rapidly. I am all for providing Officers with more tools to do the job, and approve of this as a potentially important step towards regaining lawful control of our most troubled areas.
Article: “Violating a SODA order would become a new gross misdemeanor, punishable by up to 364 days in jail and a $5,000 fine. … A fiscal analysis included with the proposed legislation by council staff concludes the changes would not have a “financial impact” on the city despite the increased levels of enforcement and legal process they would bring.”
You can bet your bottom dollar that Amsterdam is not engaging in the astronomically expensive, not to mention morally bankrupt, practice of incarcerating such “offenders” of such patently labor intensive, in addition to likely ineffectual, “personal liberty management” schemes. CA Ann Davison and neuvo-Bozo Council members are morphing into delusional nerf-wads wafting in the fickle winds of pure optics – the triumph of form over function.
(Pharmaceutical, not contaminated) opioid medications, ironically, are vastly physiologically safer than the legal highly poisonous carcinogen Ethanol. If Seattle (or anywhere) does not want to perennially futilely declare war upon endless criminal incentives, and damaged and dying customers of street garbage, simply provide registered adult drug users with safely administered supplies of opioids daily. Presto, change-o. A vastly safer, less expensive, more successful approach. Instead, our punitive prohibitions idiotically continue to engender and sustain increased suffering and death at endless monetary and moral expense under the false and phony fever-dream rubric of so-called “saving souls from themselves”. A faux-theocratic fever dream !
I am in favor of this evidence-based policy, which is a critical element of Portugal’s harm reduction driven decriminalization approach.
I am sure our local harm reduction community will be in favor as well, as I know how much they love the Portugal model, from when we discussed other harm reduction strategies like needle exchanges and safe injection sites.
Based on the callout from Ann Davidson, I also can’t help but wonder whether the Portugal model permits social services and housing for addicts in or near known drug areas.
I’m guessing no.
That would probably be more effective than trying to draw a wiggly line on the map so addicts can continue to live in drug areas while technically complying with the SODA. That will have to be a long term one, but seriously, what are we doing here?
Recycling decades old failed exclusionary policy is unfortunately exactly what I expected from this council.
Also unfortunately drawing comparisons to Israeli enforcement of similar exclusionary zones within Palestinian land.
This is only a “solution” if you don’t care what happens to those being excluded, and just want them out of the way so that you can carry on as if they don’t exist.
I am pretty sure most Palestinians would resent a comparison which equates them with law breaking drug users Matt. Not to mention, it is an entirely bogus comparison because the situations are so completely different. And finally, it a cheap, insensitive comparison which minimizes the suffering of Palestinians.
No, the Palestinians would absolutely love being compared to anyone, because it’s been almost 365 days of genocide by fascist apartheid state Israel, and the world is ignoring their plight…
Way to completely miss the point of the comparison Glenn, it’s more about the Israeli police state that is based on failed racist colonial exclusionary policies that were implemented by the US and studied by South Africa and Nazi Germany as well Isreal.
How can you not see connections between Palestinians having their land stolen from them via exclusionary policing, and the widely disproportionate population of indigenous homeless in the northwest as desirable land has largely been taken for the benefit of a small few at the expense of an underclass that those in power demonize for their benefit?
How can you consider that comparison and only try to make connections between those being demonized and not question those with the power doing the demonizing?
Ah yes the new CHAZ or CHOP
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from our drug crisis it’s that people that break the laws are oblivious and operating on a different risk/reward spectrum. Also I’ve learned that the small number of police officers we have are not very interested in enforcing these types of laws. For all the people calling for public housing first, if this IS enforced the offenders will get basic free incarceration/housing one way or another… maybe that’s the point.
It would be nice if it went up to 13th and Pike/Pine, and down to Pike/Pine and Summit.
“…renewed SODA enforcement in the city will differ from past enforcement with better, smaller, more-focused zones THAT ARE SHAPED TO AVOID AREAS WITH SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND SERVICES.”
It’s too bad a lot of the drugs being done in the neighborhood are in these places. It’s nice to see the city finally trying, at least. Now it’s up to the judges to actually enforce these rules and now create a revolving door for repeat offenders. I’m not hopeful, though.
It’s a little late Seattle. You sold us out long ago. Seattle at one time had charm, and culture in our parks , schools, and architecture. Seattle is now a generic outdoor shopping mall, where not only the people are clones but so is the architecture. The art is non existent, and individuality now extinct. Now it’s just kids , and adult children, with money trying to be artist and failing miserably. Seattle at one time was international, now it’s just beyond whiteness with cultures from Mexico, India, China, all jumping on the white wannabe band wagon. I miss the Iranians, Jamaicans, Japanese, and the Dravidian people. Seattle is now occupied by a bunch of fascist liberals. I am extremely liberal, but Seattle is the opitimy of hypocrisy and contradiction. I have lived in Seattle since 1969 and just disgusted of what this city has become. Self righteous, self entitled, sanctimonious, closet white supremist, with Black lives Matters signs in Thier yards not knowing anything about black culture. Seattle just keeps repeating the same rhetoric that has been tried and failed miserably. Now we have a bunch of new money self righteous, domestic migrants dictating our city, , Seattle this is your fault. YOU SOLD US OUT!!!!!