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The HoneyHole emails: a fired employee, thousands of dollars in rotten meat, and a Capitol Hill sandwich legend struggling with staffing and management issues — UPDATE

A message HoneyHole ownership says was sent by a disgruntled employee after they were fired Sunday

It has been a rough two years and three months in the sandwich business in Seattle.

Sunday, things got a lot rougher for the HoneyHole.

“HoneyHole Owner Harasses Employees,” isn’t the kind of subject line you typically see on a marketing email blast to thousands of customers on a Sunday afternoon. HoneyHole’s social media accounts also lit up with the same message. “For the last two years under new ownership, hundreds of employees have been retaliated against, harassed, discriminated against, demeaned, degraded, and treated like a subhuman species,” it began.

“We Were Hacked,” read a second message that arrived a couple hours later.

But the damage was done. The first message spread across social media with calls for everything from a boycott to a sandwich protest as fans lamented possibly having to go without The Gooch and the Veggie BLT.

HoneyHole owner Kristin Rye, who purchased the legendary Pike/Pine sandwich shop and bar with her husband Patrick Rye and moved to the area in 2021 to grow the business, tells CHS that the HoneyHole remains open on E Pike and the “hack” was the actions of a manager who Rye said was fired Sunday.

A Sunday refrigerator failure was unrelated, she said — but Rye said the day also added the loss of “thousands of dollars worth of meat” to the insults.

“We did have to fire a manager today,” Rye said. “It’s standard to lock someone out of our accounts but this person hacked our Instagram and our marketing to say some pretty personally hurtful and not factually accurate things.”

The HoneyHole is an inclusive and diverse workplace, Rye said.

It is also struggling with staffing and management issues.

In March, CHS reported that the HoneyHole’s E Jefferson expansion had been shuttered for weeks with no word from ownership about the sudden closure. Rye didn’t return calls or emails about the situation then. But in the wake of Sunday’s emails, the HoneyHole owner tells CHS that major challenges with a death in the family and staffing struggles led to the “financial, personal and staffing decision” to “cut things down to a core group of excellent people” and temporarily focus the business on the original E Pike location.

Kristin and Patrick Rye in happier times in 2021 (Image: HoneyHole)

Sunday’s blowup came as Rye said HoneyHole was making preparations to restart the Central District shop with hopes for a mid-June reopening just in time to take advantage of the E Jefferson location’s big patio and — maybe — get plans moving again for wider expansion of the HoneyHole brand.

Rye said she isn’t sure the June reopening will be possible after Sunday’s problems.

The “[email protected]” response

As for next steps, Rye wasn’t sure on Sunday but said there will be “consequences for those actions” suggesting legal action could be an option. The fired manager, meanwhile, told HoneyHole customers to watch for the “biggest lawsuit ever” over the allegations.

The HoneyHole emails episode of workplace protest comes amid ongoing challenges with staffing during the pandemic recovery that has snarled everything from corner cafes to bus service.

It also comes during a continued a surge in labor organizing at Capitol Hill businesses large and small. CHS reported here on the latest as an employee and ownership pact at Glo’s made the newly reopened diner the first full service restaurant in the city to unionize. On the other end of the scale, the labor fights around Capitol Hill Starbucks locations continue to be part of nationwide unionization efforts targeting the Seattle-based coffee giant.

So far, we haven’t heard from any workers at HoneyHole about efforts to organize and nobody has said the staffing issues at HoneyHole are related to organized unionization efforts. We’ve reached out to HoneyHole employees to learn more about the situation.

In the meantime, HoneyHole remains open and serving customers on E Pike where it has been doing business for nearly 25 years.

UPDATE: CHS has been in contact with employees about the situation at HoneyHole and we’re working to get more of their voices safely in our report. One worker who left last summer after a year said she found the email incident “absolutely not surprising” and that HoneyHole under its new owners has particularly struggled with supporting its queer staff.

The former employee at the Jefferson location said she ultimately quit, tired of being “really disappointed” and after watching “a lot of queer employees leave due to soft harassment.”

“It took them a year to get rid of the gendered restroom signs, even with my constant reminding the owner and offering solutions,” she tells CHS.

Meanwhile, people familiar with the situation around HoneyHole over the past two years said they were not aware of active labor organizing at HoneyHole before the weekend but that current and former employees are now preparing to speak out in the wake of the company’s actions around the firing.

UPDATE x2: A current employee provided more information to CHS about challenges at HoneyHole and said current workers have, indeed, talked about organizing and unionization but that it is very early in the process.

Ironically, some of the frustrations make it harder to get organized.

“I hope for a union,” the employee said. “The hard part is getting people to stay long enough.”

UPDATE 5/24/2023: Owner Patrick Rye contacted CHS to provide more details around the fired manager and to point at the HoneyHole’s records with the health department he says refute some of the issues raised by the rogue marketing email.

The Jefferson location, for example, boasts an “excellent” rating across three historical county health inspections.

As for other issues identified in the mail, Rye said HoneyHole has been proactive in firing a manager who repeatedly misgendered an employee and acknowledged workplace issues around staffing and schedules that needed to be fixed before the E Jefferson location could reopen.

UPDATE x2: Here are portions of two inspections the Ryes provided:

 

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Big coconut
Big coconut
1 year ago

Oop glad I never ate there lol

Hogan
Hogan
1 year ago

There were many personal accounts from employees of the mismanagement, and affirming the accusations laid out in the email on instagram, but Honey was actively deleting those comments. This article seems to widely not include the voice of the employees, and only the owners who are doing damage control. “We’ve reached out to HoneyHole employees to learn more about the situation.” is not due diligence in creating a full-picture article.

Calliope Trevelyan
1 year ago
Reply to  jseattle

I was hired to be a dishwasher and wasn’t given a schedule and was fired after two shifts because they scheduled me to clopen and didn’t give me a printed schedule. I kept up and helped with sandwiches too…they didn’t respect my effort and let me go when I asked for my schedule.

cebbie
cebbie
1 year ago
Reply to  Hogan

Thank you for saying above – I’ve heard things in the past before too, including that the bartenders aren’t allowed to keep their tips. Looking forward to reading the article when it comes out that includes the employees voices.

d.c.
d.c.
1 year ago
Reply to  Hogan

Responses from employees can’t be summoned at will. Journalism is a process and getting the story out there prominently including the original email plus owner response is a valuable service. That gets added to as more information comes in. It’s unreasonable to expect a developing news story to be “full-picture” immediately after the events in question, especially when as you point out the affirmative accounts were being actively deleted.

Luke
Luke
1 year ago
Reply to  Hogan

I worked there for almost 2 years and left eventually on amicable terms might I add, overall the whole place was pleasant and a genuinely great place to work, my scheduling was consistent and I never had any issues with the managers. I alongside the rest of the staff was paid above minimum wage, and the managers and owners were pleasant and easy to work with. I had heard about employees being fired, but most of the time they were fired for excellent reasons and had multiple infractions. while I don’t think I would go back (due to my new job being much closer to where I live) I still stop by when I get the chance to have a sandwich and catch up with managers and the owner if she Is there.

John
John
1 year ago
Reply to  Luke

Luke? Like…Kristin’s son Luke? At least change the name, bro. Wtf.

BigDaddyHOLE
1 year ago

Daddy don’t like

Eli
Eli
1 year ago

Honestly, before opening an entire new location, don’t you think it might be a good idea to get THE GRILL working at the original location first? It’s been two years and they can’t get THE GRILL working? At a sandwich shop?

Crow
Crow
1 year ago
Reply to  Eli

I’ve avoided Honeyhole for at least 5 years, after an unappetizing dining experience.

Guesty
Guesty
1 year ago
Reply to  Eli

That’s not a good sign – must have very low staffing or staff not really qualified OR a broken grill they have let sit there for two years.

Guesty
Guesty
1 year ago

“thousands of dollars in rotten meat” – uh, no further explaination?

Was it left out intentionally? Did it spoil because of over ordering?

Guesty
Guesty
1 year ago
Reply to  jseattle

whoops, my bad, sorry…

Calliope Trevelyan
1 year ago

They fired me after two days after scheduling me to clopen at pine then cap hill east because I asked for a schedule a year and a half ago…..

Pkt
Pkt
1 year ago

I really don’t get the love for this place. The sandwiches are very pedestrian. Over priced.

bikesnacks
bikesnacks
1 year ago
Reply to  Pkt

not many spots for good vegetarian sandwiches. my love for the place is 100% around that.

Sad Sandwich
Sad Sandwich
1 year ago

Huge bummer, especially after the original owners put so much into this place day in and day out. As a former employee, I can say that HoneyHole10 years ago was a special place.

Jamie Andrews
Jamie Andrews
1 year ago

Union yes!

seatac315
seatac315
1 year ago

Unless there are some more significant examples than “they didn’t change out the gendered bathroom signs fast enough,” the biggest harassment lawsuit ever isn’t going to amount to a whole lot. I feel for the employees involved

ando
ando
1 year ago

not surprising when tech and finance people decide they want to jump in to the restaurant industry.

Taylor
Taylor
1 year ago

They did not “proactively” fire the manager who was migendering me for months. They continuously apologized for him until I quit in a Company-Wide email and they were FORCED to fire him.