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What’s a better name for the Chop Suey?

8445101719_f5b8f866a2With a new life and overhauled venue in the works, it might be a good time to do something about the name. Artist Andy Panda thinks so. Panda has posted an open letter asking the new owners of the Chop Suey to do away with the venue’s name.

“As a Chinese person, seeing fake Chinese decor in a club that is not owned by Chinese people makes my heart sink,” Panda writes. “No one should have to see their own race caricatured in a venue that hosts so many great touring bands.”

The Chop dates back to 2002. The early 2000s transition from punk hangout the Breakroom came under the auspices of some familiar names — the founding co-owners were Wade Weigel, Jeff O’Felt, and Linda Derschang. That team overhauled the venue and gave it what the Seattle Times called a “swank rock” feel — a “front-of-the-club lounge, with leopard carpet, Chinese lanterns, cocktail tables and a wrap-around bench.” We’ll see what we can find out about where the name came from. UPDATE: While she didn’t shine any light on the genesis for the name, Derschang did say she thinks it’s ready for it to be retired. “Chop Suey has had so many owners over the years but the decor has pretty much remained the same,” she writes. “The new owners are giving it a new look so a new name makes perfect sense.” She adds that she “never loved the name anyway.” So, hey, Linda D. says it’s OK to change it.

Back in 2002, there was at least one musician who wasn’t pleased with the choice:

I would much rather have Chromatics play a guerrilla show in the parking lot of Jack in the Box on Broadway than under the pagoda at Chop Suey, the new racist hotspot masquerading as a cutting-edge, hip nightclub. It is disgusting to me that a business so blatantly offensive can open its doors to a supposed community of open-minded artists and musicians. If the same crackers who own Chop Suey opened up an African-American-style bar or nightclub with the same sense of kitsch–cultural imperialistic icons similar to those that Chop Suey utilizes in its theme and décor–you can be damn sure that people would be upset about it. How would this be any different? It wouldn’t be different at all. People should be outraged that this business exists, and even angrier that most people just accept it.

The full letter from Panda is below:

Hey Everyone,
I sent this letter to the new owner of Chop Suey, Brianna Rettig (she is on Facebook). If you feel like encouraging her to change the name while they have the opportunity for a new start, please message her or send an email to [email protected]. Feel free to copy anything from this letter and share and circulate as much as possible. Thanks!

Dear Brianna,
I was very excited to hear that you have become an owner of Chop Suey. First of all, as a fellow musician it is great to hear that another musician will keep the tradition of bringing great bands to Seattle. But, most importantly, I’m excited because you have the opportunity to enact some real change.

I and many other people I know love the acts that have come through Chop Suey over the years. However, many of us have avoided going to the venue because of the racial implications that the name and theme have. As a Chinese person, seeing fake Chinese decor in a club that is not owned by Chinese people makes my heart sink. No one should have to see their own race caricatured in a venue that hosts so many great touring bands.

The name itself, Chop Suey, comes from a time of real racism, hatred and violence towards Asian Americans. In the 1800’s, California had laws that made it illegal for Chinese people to testify in court. This was at a time when white Goldrush miners had particular hatred towards Chinese immigrants who they saw as a group moving in on their gold claims. White miners committed horrible atrocities on Chinese immigrants with no repercussions because no one could testify against them. The dish came about when a group of drunken miners stumbled into a Chinese restaurant. Though the restaurant was closing and out of food, the miners demanded service. Out of fear for their lives, the workers assembled all the table scraps, fried them up and served them to the miners. The miners loved the dish and asked what the name of it was. The workers made up the name Chop Suey.

With the new ownership and vision for this club, this would be a great opportunity for a fresh start. In a place like Seattle, making this change would be seen as a real positive and could garner you an even bigger fan base. I hope you consider this opportunity and if you want some support or ideas on this, please feel free to contact me.

Sincerely,
Andy Panda

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Barry Legal
Barry Legal
10 years ago

Eye roll

Andiamo
Andiamo
10 years ago

Doesn’t the name “Andy Panda” undermine his point a little bit…?

Jim98122x
Jim98122x
10 years ago
Reply to  Andiamo

Thank you– that was the first thing I wondered: “Seriously? Is this guy’s name REALLY ‘Panda’? I hope so, cuz if it’s not, he’s complaining about a kitchy name when *HE HAS* a kitchy name?”. OTOH, if his name really IS Panda… oh well, I dunno what, but oh brother.

Michee
Michee
10 years ago
Reply to  Jim98122x

People are so desperate to please every ludicrous demand that they piss off everyone- with hilarious results!

Kelly
Kelly
10 years ago
Reply to  Jim98122x

The words kitschy and racism do not mean the same thing.

White privilege: Getting to think stereotypes are cute.

R
R
10 years ago
Reply to  Andiamo

Soooo…he self identifies as a person of Chinese descent and has chosen the name Panda, which is likely empowering and a way of reclaiming racist imagery. How does that undermine his point exactly? It’s kind of like (but not exactly analogous to) how my Jewish father hoards Nazi memorabilia. Is he an actual Nazi/Nazi sympathizer? No, for sure not. But it just feels good to take something that has been used to oppress you (literally and /or figuratively) and spin it on it’s head. Do you really not see that, or were you just trying to be cute?

Andiamo
Andiamo
10 years ago
Reply to  R

I think I’m adorable.

lol
lol
10 years ago
Reply to  R

Basically for white americans, the modern formula has been to be scared of the calls about racism when it comes to black folk but when it comes to asians racism is still a free-for-all with slap on the wrist consequences only.

George
George
10 years ago

News flash: Unicorn receives backlash from carny community after discovering owners don’t operate a fantasy circus.

Ethan
Ethan
10 years ago
Reply to  George

It seems to me a lot of objection over a font and the name of a food. The inside was fine – I personally thought that dragon hanging from the ceiling inside looked really cool! Does everything need to be a hotel lobby? Cartoonish versions of other cultural signifiers can sometimes bring up harsh connotations, but the other examples people are using here are far more extreme. Having a goofy looking Chinese-inspired bar like this one only shows how much of a part of American culture we consider all of this. It doesn’t take away from our ability to, say, go to a museum to get a non-cartoonish version. In short: relax, this is fine.

dc
dc
10 years ago

Ugly to see commenters talking about this like it’s nothing. It’s definitely racist – would you go to Wetback Burritos or Fatlip Mamma’s Chicken and Waffles? Even if you don’t think it’s outright racist there are lots of people who at the very least think it’s in poor taste. Give it a new name and style with a nod to the old one. There’s no shortage of inspiration in this city.

jeremy
jeremy
10 years ago
Reply to  dc

Seriously. Insanely racist shit, should not be taken lightly by the overwhelmingly white and wealthy population of Seattle.

Robert
Robert
10 years ago
Reply to  jeremy

Last time I checked, “chop suey” was an actual Chinese-American dish, not a racist slur like “wetback” or “Fatlip Momma”. So if I eat chop suey, I’m a racist?

This ain’t the Redskins or Wahoo the Cleveland Indian. It’s a kitschy dish done up in a kitschy font, in the same vein as a tiki bar’s fake-Polynesian decor. Or should Hula Hula change its theme to spare South Pacific sensitives? Or oh my God, Pacquitos over there has a guy wearing a straw hat and playing guitar!

I’m calling Special Snowflake on this one, sorry.

Ethan
Ethan
10 years ago
Reply to  Robert

I don’t know what that special snowflake thing means but I agree with everything else you said. Seems like a lot of crankiness over the name of a food and a font.

Michee
Michee
10 years ago
Reply to  Ethan

Did it ever occur to yall that you could become so obsessed with identifying ‘cultural otherness’ that you’re actually excluding everybody?

Or no….

urban
urban
10 years ago

I’m not a cultural anthropologist, but I think that story about the miners is an urban legend.

I don’t think there is anything racist about a Chinese-themed establishment.

Is it racist to have the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas designed after the Italian city? –it’s probably not Italian-owned…

Poquitos is not owned by Mexicans….but no one thinks that is racist…

It may be racially insensitive, but I have to disagree with Mr. Panda that the name should be changed. I think it’s interesting and unique.

Also, “Chop Suey” as a dish is culturally unique in that it was developed in the US by Chinese Immigrants. It is something that is distinctly “American” and as such should be celebrated just like any other distinctly American food/culture/holiday

zeebleoop
zeebleoop
10 years ago
Reply to  urban

well, and there’s this from the internet (i know, the-internet-said it-it-must be-true) – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chop_suey

“This “became the infamous ‘chop s