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After serving Capitol Hill parents for decades, SCCC childcare center faces shutdown
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How to help save the childcare center
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RE: How to help save the childcare center
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I have already talked to Killpatrick as well as a lot of the parents it did no good they don't care. The sad thing is the parents pay to have there kid go to the daycare so they are closing down something that brings in money. There closing it down for some language study or something like that. I emailed the news a while ago about this as well as the occupy being so close to the child care. Hope we can fix both problems
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6 months ago
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RE: How to help save the childcare center
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Dr.'s Kilpatrick and Wakefield care very much, but contacting them will NOT help. The seattle community colleges have lost fully 33% of their funding over the past three years. They have been forced to gut administrative positions and eliminate entire programs to remain open. They're trying to run a college with increased enrollment on one third less funds.
If you want to help you should contact the legislature...they draft and approve the budget that Dr. Kilpatrick has to work with. |
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6 months ago
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Thanks for the perspective, Dotty.
I was a South Seattle CC daycare kid. I can still remember it, all these years later. As you say, my dad was a vet. Has the cost gotten out of control? Is it redundant? Or is the issue simply lack of budget and trying to preserve programs? This can't simply be a space issue, that's not quite sane... |
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It doesn't make sense because one person has made the decision and he has been wanting to close the childcare center for a while. He used this opportunity to do just that with no community input. There are probably problems that they to not want made public, so better to close the center in an "emergency."
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6 months ago
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The budgetary restrictions the community college is facing could be lessened greatly if we could redistribute wealth in our society away from the wealthiest and into social programs benefitting all. The state of Washington has one of the most regressive tax structures in the nation resulting in a remarkable, even for this country, mass of wealth at the very top of the spectrum all while those who are trying to gain training for today's job market are unable to catch a break. If the school was flush with cash it could find a way to maintain this service for it's students.
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RE: Case and Point
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Catching breaks instead of working hard. A recipe for success.
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I think it's time the occupy mindset do a little research in to how much exactly the 'top wealth' in this state do contribute to those that need help. Focus on the tax, sure, but look at the contributions made year after year to many organizations. Enough gimme gimme gimme.
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RE: Case and Point
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I'm tired of people complaining that they have to drop out of school because of the economy and various cutbacks. Are student loans not still readily available?
There are many child care centers in Seattle and on Capitol Hill. Yes, they may be less convenient for SCCC students, and perhaps a bit more expensive, but sometimes you have to adapt to a new reality. I assume Pres. Killpatrick is making this decision in order to continue to provide adequate facilities for the international students, and therefore maintain that revenue stream at a time when the state is cutting back his budget. That seems like a pretty good idea to me. |
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Please help this cause!
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The reason this situation is so upsetting is because ONE person, President Killpatrick, has made the decision to close the childcare center. This IS NOT a budget issue, this is an "emergency" which allows the president to do anything he pleases. None of the excuses for closing the center make sense. With help from the community and input from the campus, I DO believe it is absolutely possible to keep the center open. If it were really an space "emergency" the school would close the gym, for example.
The sad thing is, once the childcare center is gone, it is likely never to return. I appreciate hearing the history from Dotty as it reminds us that this is a COMMUNITY college! Unfortunately, the SCCC administration has decided to give preference to accomodate international students and the money making programs that they are enrolled in. Actually most of the international students ARE NOT enrolled in actual community college classes, they take classes through the FOR PROFIT language institute run by the school. What about the tax-paying resident students? And why can't the school find a way to keep both the childcare center AND international programs running? |
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By the way, if anybody wants to help by calling and e-mailing the administration, here is the contact information:
President of SCCC, Paul Killpatrick, pkillpatrick@sccd.ctc.edu 206-587-4144 Chancellor of District, Jill Wakefield, co@seattlecolleges.edu 206-934-3872 Dean of Student Life and Engagement, Lexie Evans levans@sccd.ctc.edu 206-934-3890 Facebook pages: Save the SCCC Childcare Center (please "like") https://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-the-SCCC-Childcare-Cente Main SCCC page https://www.facebook.com/pages/Seattle-Central-Community-Col Main Seattle CC District page https://www.facebook.com/seattlecommunitycolleges SCCC Student Leadership page https://www.facebook.com/pages/SCCC-Student-Leadership/59913 SCCC Alumni Page https://www.facebook.com/seattlecentralalumni SCCC Social and Human Services club https://www.facebook.com/pages/Seattle-Central-Commnity-Coll |
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RE: Please help this cause!
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That "for-profit" language school is not an auxilary. I'd estimate (as an employee) that about 85% of their revenue feeds directly into SCCC. The other 15% is for very basic operating costs.
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iffy reporting
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I'm an employee of that international student program, and this is faulty reporting. The SCCC Childcare center was NOT closed just so that International Programs could move in to the space. There has been talk of it closing for years, both because of budgetary challenges and HR problems.
Yes, we are moving in to the space. International Programs is currently working out of a building where we can only travel to our 2nd or 3rd floor offices by elevator because the stairs are bound to collapse at any moment. This is an elevator that breaks down at least once a week. It's not safe. Considering how much revenue international students generate for instruction (for classes that sometimes they never take), they should have access to a structurally-sound International Student Center, which houses countless resources for them. Do NOT misconstrue what is written here as international student needs pushing out domestic/local student needs. As President Killpatrick stated, SCCC is still providing students with childcare resources, mostly through vouchers. This information is all presented very subjectively, which I'm disappointed in. Especially considering this has the potential to have significant impact on how the community views SCCC. All things considered, that school has some great programs that benefit Seattle greatly. The international student program is one of them. |
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Thanks Nikki. All we have to go from is the statement from Killpatrick. I left several messages and email with SCCC communications about this issue starting more than a week ago asking for more details and none of those were responded to. We're not done reporting on it.
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Here is the full letter sent by Killpatrick:
read more epresents an annual expenditure per student parent of over $2600. Providing services thatsupport the success of students facing challenges to attendance is a core value of Seattle Central. Replacing the expensive on site childcare with a need-based voucher system to assist student parents with their childcare costs, wherever those costs are incurred, will enable the funds to be stretched to benefit many more student parents. During the summer, the South Annex building, currently housing the International Education Programs, has been declared unsafe and in critical need of major repairs. The State General Administration has informed us of the need to come up with an emergency relocation plan or risk having the South Annex completely shutdown, displacing a program that supports over 1,200 students from all over the world, in addition to providing programming for local students to study, volunteer and intern abroad. In a college wide space needs analysis conducted by Paulien & Associates in 2011, it was noted that the college has inadequate instructional space. This study indicated that the college was currently in a deficit of 31,244 square feet. However, this space analysis occurred prior to the South Annex being condemned. Thus, with the sudden loss of the South Annex, the college now has a nearly 40,000 square feet deficit. Seattle Central is facing an emergency situation to reassign college spaces. The current inhabitants (program staff/faculty/classrooms with students) must be removed from the South Annex and relocated. Although the current occupants of the South Annex is International Education Programs, the situation would be unchanged if the occupants were Dental Hygiene, Math and Science or another program. In this case, International Education Programs has been impacted by the condemnation. The childcare area has approximately the same square footage (~9,000 sq ft) currently required to house the 60+ International Programs faculty, staff, and support services. Due to its current open-space design, the childcare area could quickly be converted to accommodate the faculty/staff offices with minimal design costs. We have negotiated a delay in the relocation schedule to provide a three-month notice, allowing time for parents to transition to other childcare. As a college we must continue to assess our programs and be adaptable when conditions arise that demand a new approach. A need-based pilot program is being designed which will provide vouchers to assist parents with childcare costs in licensed childcare facilities in the winter and spring quarters. Applications will be available to student parents by November 1. |
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RE: iffy reporting
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No problem, I just wanted to make sure that readers get the whole picture.
The person who was doing most of our communications work just left SCCC, so that may have been why you didn't receive a response. Glad I could clarify a few things! This is a hard time on a lot of fronts for SCCC, and the SCC District as a whole. |
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Nikiki, I feel that the reporting done on the closure is accurate, but maybe you did not like my comments.
I am not against International Programs, in fact, I am an TESOL teacher myself and make my living from these students. My husband was an international student at SCCC ten years ago and is now a photography student at SCCC and we have a son in the childcare center. It IS true that the ELP programs ARE money-making for the school, whether or not they feed back into the school. You have actually given more information about the closure than parents and the community have been given by the administration. And thank you for admitting that, YES, they have been considering closing the childcare center for a long time. The way they did it, by announcing TWO DAYS before the quarter began and leaving students who rely on these services IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCHOOL YEAR scrambling to find chlidcare - is not acceptable. Again, if this were truely an emergency, they would find emergency space for those who occupy the South Annex until the end of the school year and then give sufficient notice for the students who use the childcare center. For those of you who do not have young children, it is almost impossible to find quality, affordable daycare in Seattle and EVEN WITH THE VOUCHER SYSTEM, all of the other childcare options will be at least $1000 more a quarter for students. Most daycares are full by March for the Fall. These are TAX-PAYING, RESIDENT students who will be affected. International students, while contributing to the local economy and paying 3x the amount of tuition,... read more e not tax paying residents WHO FUND THE STATE COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEM. So, all of that aside, because it is not innacurate, why can't the administration find a better way to meet the needs of both the south annex programs and offices AND the childcare center. Because the school wanted to close the childcare center anyways, there was not much thought on how to save it for the school year - at this point, this is all we are asking for. Wherea the creative, innovative leaders when you need them? |
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I completely agree with Stephanie. You don't announce two days before the beginning of the quarter/school year that the child care center, a place that student-parents rely on so they may continue their education, is going to close. Which leaves us, the student-parents, in a really bad spot. First, most quality daycares have waiting lists and enroll children the previous year before they even start their care. Second, it obviously has to be a daycare that is reasonably priced. And third, if we happen to find a daycare that does have availability, it also has to be somewhat close in proximity (for those parents who are car-less and the only daycare they can find is in North Seattle, how does that work?) and offer half-day options because I don't need or want my child in daycare all day long. So "finding another child care center" isn't as easy as one may think.
If they knew the building that houses the international students has unusable stairs, how is that even safe in terms of evacuation? Did the sudden unsafeness of it just occur to them recently? And why wasn't this decided well before the quarter began, so parents might have had a chance to enroll their children elsewhere? Since these things WERE NOT DONE, I find it unacceptable to suddenly kick the childcare center to the curb without looking at other options and genuinely working toward a solution that would benefit both the international students and the parents of the child care center. |
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You're not reading. The childcare center is not closing because international programs needs to move. Period.
The stairs were condemned 6 months ago. My comments were not about the need for a childcare center. Although I do not have children, I see this as a great loss to our community and was challenged ethically to see the positive in international programs being able to move there. |
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Well, then, what you are telling us and what the administration is telling us are two different things. Administration is telling us that the reason for the childcare center closing is BECAUSE of the emergency of the stairwell being condemned (read the above letter). If, in fact, it was condemned six months ago, then there is even MORE reason to be upset that the president is using this as an excuce to close the childcare center. The student parents were PROMISED in a May 31st letter that the childcare center would remain open for the full 2011-12 school year as secured in the budget for this school year.
Here is the thing, when a school run by the government decides to close a long standing program there is usually due dilagance paid and community input. Decisions are usually made in accordance with the budget AND with the mission, vision, and strategic plan of the school AND there are public records of this process (meeting minutes, etc.). There are NO public records of this decision because ONE PERSON has made this decision (see my next post). He did not want to attract attention to this issue. If he knew he was going to close the childcare center six months ago WHY DIDN'T HE TELL PARENTS THEN!!!! |
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Here is the e-mail chain with my correspondence with Judy Kitzman, the Interim Director of Communications for SCCC:
Dear Stephanie, I am responding to your email request of Tuesday, October 18. Ultimately, it is the decision of the President to close the child care center due to the emergency conditions the college was undergoing. This information was shared at the open forum meeting with the staff of the child care center and the parents. There are no responsive college records to your request other than the records that were provided to you. Again, the ultimate decision regarding closures of college programs rests with the president of the college. Sincerely, Judy Kitzman Interim Director of Communications Seattle Central Community College | 1701 Broadway | Seattle, WA 98122 NEW! 206. 934.5487 office |206.934.4390 fax Judy.Kitzman@seattlecolleges.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephanie Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:08 PM To: Kitzman, Judy Subject: Re: Public Records Request Hi Judy, Actually, I just took a look at these and I don't see anything in the meeting minutes pertaining to either the "emergency" nature of having to close the childcare center or the actual decision that was made to do so. Maybe I could have the meeting minutes and agendas from the President's Cabinet Meetings from the last 4 months (since June 2011). I want to know WHEN and WHO made the decision to close the childcare center. These details should be in the public record somewhere. Thank you very much for your help! Stephanie ------------------... read more --------------------------------------------- Subject: Public Records Request: I have received your public records request dated Tuesday, October 11, 2011. Regarding the decision to close Seattle Central Community College’s childcare center, you have asked for “all meeting minutes from the budget committee and meetings leading to this decision.” I am attaching the following documents, which are appropriate to your request: · President’s Cabinet Meeting Minutes, September 6, 2011 · Summary of S&A Budget Allocation for 2011-2012 · Childcare Center FAQ sheet Please call me at (206) 934-5487 if I can provide further information. Sincerely, Judy Kitzman Interim Director of Communications Seattle Central Community College | 1701 Broadway | Seattle, WA 98122 NEW! 206. 934.5487 office |206.934.4390 fax Judy.Kitzman@seattlecolleges.edu |
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SCCC is not aligned with the community
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Seattle Central did communicate when they were evaluating programs for closure last May that the childcare center was not going to be cut this year. How is it possible that three months later it is being entirely displaced by an enrichment program?
In addition to the childcare center, the adjacent parent-child center (Parent Ed) and the ASL programs were also slated for elimination -- and ASL was already discontinued. The Parent Education program serves 500 families each year at a nominal cost to the college -- and the program dates back to the founding of the college, not to mention the cooperative preschools affiliated with the program which are some 80 years old in Seattle. Seattle Central, in its zeal to attract full-tuition paying, foreign students, is alienating families in its own community. I don't see how this decision is in alignment with the college's mission. |
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Here, here!
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Isn't it illegal to have drug activity within a specific distance of any school w/children (e.g., Drug Free Zones)? I believe the distance between drug activity and a school is 1000 feet. The photo shown looks like they are adjoining the school playground which is school property.
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Here's my suggestion. Could this possibly work?
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I don't have kids and know as much about day care and the laws or lack thereof regarding daycare as the next bachelor so take it as just a suggestion.
Why can't the parents who utilize this daycare now, rent out a vacant/suitable retail spot on the hill and run the daycare by themselves and/or with the former SCCC daycare employees? Pool the voucher money from SCCC fairly to pay the employees and possibly have a parent or three volunteer at any given time to staff the facility. Possibly, find other parents (not SCCC students who maybe can pay a premium and be willing to do so) who were rejected by the long lists at other nearby daycares and maybe find a way to raise the lacking funds. Good luck. |
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