As part of our news partnership with the Seattle Times and 20 other local news sites, CHS has been asked to collaborate on a cross-site project to document what our community thinks about graffiti. But we don’t want to.
The idea was to ask CHS readers the following questions:
- Do you think graffiti is a problem in your area?
- Where are the problem spots?
- What do you and your neighbors do to help clean it up?
- Should the city be doing more to help out?
Here’s what they’re talking about at sites near the Hill — in the Central District and in Eastlake. On Capitol Hill, we’ve had this conversation before. When it comes to graffiti, the Hill is in a league of its own. So my message to the Seattle Times and our partners is we have a love/hate relationship with graffiti on the Hill. Some of you have well-honed arguments against it. Some of you have equal arguments in support. There are some things I like to see tagged, some things I’d rather not see tagged unless it’s quality work and some things that piss me off. By the way, nobody can make a good defense of etching so any etchers should please sign off now, thank you.
Instead, let’s focus on some common ground for both sides of the love/hate equation. Graffiti removal art has appeal for both the anti-taggers and the street art fans. Know of any interesting cover-ups on the Hill? Let us know in comments. We’ll go out, shoot some pictures and see if we learn anything about this whole thing by coming at it from a different angle.
Every day there is I walk the perimeter and look for graffiti. If I find it is removed immediately. The result? Maybe 6 times a year I find graffiti. Taggers tag where others tag. In other words, graffiti feeds upon itself.
I find some of the street art such as the stenciling and stickers to be interesting enough that they enhance the streetscape. However the tagging and etching are a serious nuisance. We have occasional problems with tagging on the alley side of our building and promptly remove it – although scrubbing spray paint off of bricks is no easy task and the wall will never look the same again.
I would like to see a crackdown on tagging (especially etching) with an emphasis on public service for offenders – as in scrubbing paint off bricks. However, it frustrates me that we tolerate advertising, often depicting unhealthy images and promoting environmentally and socially destructive consumer culture, on virtually every surface but don’t welcome artists enhancing our public spaces. Erecting a big, cheap, ugly building made of toxic materials is a much more menacing, long-lasting, and destructive pollution of our community than some paint randomly applied to a surface. Does the fact that it cost exorbitant amounts of money and many professionals to erect make it more tolerable than the unpaid inspiration of a street artist?
Can we offer more appropriate outlets for spontaneous public art? The painted bus stop shelters seem to be working reasonably well for deterring graffiti while showcasing young artists. Another solution would be to do a better job articulating wall surfaces so that they are not a ugly blank canvases. Studies have shown that beautiful, textured walls are less likely targets for graffiti than large monotonous expanses of Dryvit. Perhaps we would have less problems with graffiti if we made our community more beautiful to begin with – and bolstered the art programs at our schools.
I second what you say, jseattle: some good grafitti, some grafitti in good places, some bad graffiti, some graffiti in bad places. Mostly, I think it’s part of the vitality (= life) of the city/the hill.
Thanks for not getting into Seattle Times groupthink.
And thanks for posting that gorgeous cover-up.
1.Do you think graffiti is a problem in your area?
Yes, there needs to be more street art including stenciling and stickering. Some sort of discouragement should be given to scratchiti and taggers.
2.Where are the problem spots?
Anywhere there’s a blank canvas (new ST site, anyone?) + Broadway itself: the cleanScapes folks keep taking down perfectly good (and legal) art on utility poles. Those punks need a kick in the junk.
3.What do you and your neighbors do to help clean it up?
“Clean up” here must mean ‘encourage / finish the proliferation’. In any case: I buy spray paint for kids and teach them about PPE (respirators). I hand out stickers to be added to the visual landscape.
4.Should the city be doing more to help out?
Hells yes. Encourage street art with law changes or incarceration reduction, zoning, parks-coordination for installations and pitch in some modest finances. Designate public owned buildings that are not in use as city canvases, aka graffiti magnets. Most artists are younger and appreciate a little structure in their lives: helps them concentrate on the art & the nurturing of creativity.
Orange Splott forever….!
Check out this YouTube video on “The Subconscious Art of Graffiti Removal”
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Here’s the link.
JSeattle states that we have a “love/hate relationship with graffiti,” but he does not speak for everyone in our neighborhood. Many of us have only a “hate” relationship. It is not possible for individuals to determine what is “good graffiti” and what is “bad graffiti.” ALL of it is illegal because it is done without the permission of the property’s owner…whether it be on public structures (owned by the City) or private buildings (owned by a private person). It is always interesting to me that often people are in favor of graffiti until their apartment building or home is affected. How would YOU feel if you were a struggling business on the Hill and had to pay to have graffiti cleaned up at your location?
The only form of graffiti that is OK is when a private property owner decides to install it on his/her building, as a deterrent to recurring graffiti. A great example of this is on the north side of the tattoo parlor at E Olive Way and Summit Ave E.
All the graffiti I’ve seen all looks trashy and makes a neighborhood look like crap. Who decided that graffiti would improve the apartment building at the corner of E Pine and Bellevue E? It loos like cråp.
Calhoun:
You think the graffiti art at Apocolypse Tattoo was put there as vandalism-deterrent?
Oh my.
“Graffiti art isn’t tagging” examples for the rest of yous:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmabel/3386325693/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/loisstavsky/2770348476/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/liquidnight/3658986418/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brianyuen/2788703034/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/marywit/4391038732/in/pool-seat
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40228147@N07/4376956512/in/pool
http://www.flickr.com/photos/evilrobot6/4377635638/in/pool-s
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djwudi/46862066/
I admit, Juliette, that I am just guessing, because I don’t know the owner of that building. But that area has been hit regularly and frequently with tagging in the past, and what is there now will certainly act as a deterrent, even if this is not the intent.
You were able to find some examples of some pretty cool art, but this kind of quality is very rare, and is the exception, and does not negate the fact that the vast majority of graffiti is tagging crap. Also, I would be pretty sure that the examples you provided were done with the permission of the property owner, as opposed to most graffiti which is done in the middle of the night and not with permission of either the City or a private property owner. Therefore, it is vandalism, pure and simple.
Calhoun – thoughtful post, thanks. We are in agreement that tags are ugly, pathetic, and not art. As far as pure/simple…
Did you see the 4 or 5 piece ‘Squirrel Nut Zippers’ style band playing a couple weeks back on Broadway & Thomas? That was wonderful.
Whether graffiti is art or vandalism depends on perspective, and engages ( I feel) in a dangerous form of art-critique / cultural-bias attitude: buskers; street theatre; sidewalk chalk artists; street musicians and even Skillet street food – all, in a way, engage in art-making on other people’s property.
I want art in my city. I feel we have easily HALF the art our city desires.
Graffiti artists have MY permission to make art in public spaces in my city… so I feel cityowned graffitti art (again, not tags) is absolutely not vandalism. As a business owner, if a street theatre performer sets up shop in front of a space I’m leasing, I don’t mind: in fact, it enhances the community in my opinion. Likewise, I’m drawn to think that perhaps street art, despite being more ‘permanent’ than a busker or chalk artist, is equally valuable as a contribution to city-wide culture and art – even if it’s done in the middle of the night…
Hi Juliette, and thank you for YOUR thoughtful comments. I agree that we could use more art in our public spaces….if only it was the quality of the things you have shown in your picture and video links! But (I repeat) that such quality is really quite rare, and is drowned out by all the unauthorized/illegal crap. I would be in favor of more “street art” on public structures, IF it were done legally with permission of the City, so that then there would be some control over the quality. Otherwise, we will continue to get stuff which negatively impacts our streetscapes. There actually is a City agency which could serve this role…called “Arts and Cultural Affairs” or something like that.
Not long ago, I proposed to the Capitol Hill Chamber of Commerce that we arrange to have the many “traffic signal control boxes” in our neighborhood “wrapped” with art images (using printed vinyl)…Victoria, B.C. has done this, and it really enhances the streetscape (and deters tagging). My proposal didn’t get very far, but I still think it’s a good idea.
As far as the other examples you give of other uses of public spaces (buskers, etc.), I think you pointed out the crucial difference…these are legal temporary uses, with no impact the next day, and are a positive contribution to our City. Graffiti “art” is illegal, usually ugly, and more-or-less permanent.
Tagging the bus schedule so that one can not read the times – NOT ART!
Tagging the parking meter so that one can not read the time – NOT ART!
Tagging the window on the bus so one can not look out – NOT ART!
Tagging the side of my house – NOT ART!
Changing the pedestrian crossing sign that states, “Stop for me it’s the law” to “Stop for me it’s the CLAW” – Hilarious!
Having had to clean up grafitti at the family business over the years, I would like to point out that while decent art in a truly “public space” is all fine and dandy, any unrequested grafitti in a private space can make business owners (though they are the victim of the crime), subject to fines of anywhere from $100-$5,000 from the city if it is not removed in a timely fashion under the Grafitti Nuisance Ordinance. Which makes it even more of a nuisance for businesses on the Hill. Just thought I’d throw that out there.
http://www.seattle.gov/UTIL/Services/Garbage/KeepSeattleClea&_Removal/GraffitiNuisanceOrdinance/index.htm