The Slog fails on 15th Ave

By jseattle
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It would be ridiculous for this little site to declare The Stranger's online behemoth, The Slog, dead. But some part of what we once called Seattle's best blog definitely bit the big one last week -- and it happened right here on Capitol Hill.

On Friday, Slogger Lindy West posted this photo of a remarkable patron visiting Liberty. The post was a typical Slog job, setting the Segway man up for ridicule. The Slog comment crowd, as usual, went for it: I wonder, if the bartender were to - as one might expect he would do - punch this person in the face repeatedly, would he just keeping popping up for more like a Weeble? Because I would love to see that.

Typical Slog stuff, really. But this time, the nastiness got shoved right back in our Slog-loving faces. Out of the comment cesspool, came the actual story:


i met this guy at cal anderson park a few weeks ago while i was with a quadraplegic friend who uses a wheelchair that untilizes the same technology as this man’s segway. i also thought this man a lazy fool until he explained that he has a condition that makes it difficult and painful for him to walk. he also has very brittle bones that break easily ( remember that otherwise stupid m. nught shaymalan movie unbreakable ?)which is why he wears a helmet and kneepads. he engages in conversation fairly easily and if you had asked he might have explained his condition to you. the man doesn’t reserve your judgement or ridicule. so cut this shit out

Before we get too high and holy, let me say that the post is the kind of thing we might have created here on capitolhillseattle.com. We've seen the Segway man. We very probably would have also set this man up for ridicule. It very easily could have been us.

But of course this post happened on The Slog. There's a high statistical probability that, given something mean, nasty and Seattle, it came from The Stranger's site.

The Slog isn't dead -- after all, the same comment crowd that produces the hate, produces the answers. But it's definitely unhealthy as it enters its fourth year of life. Savage and crew might want to think about starting a new and better discussion. In the meantime, maybe we should start preparing a monument to be erected at Liberty Bar:

Here lies The Slog
Self poisoned
Brilliant
2005-2008

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posted on Sun, Jul 13, 2008 08:54 PM
last updated on Mon, Jul 14, 2008 08:48 AM
I stopped reading SLOG last year bypffft2 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
I stopped reading SLOG last year because I found the level of mean-spirited snarkiness and "more-progressive-than-thou" liberal intolerance a bit too high.

It's amazing how intolerant and downright mean some "progressive" people can be when they wallow in an echo-chamber of like-minded people for too long.

I also got sick of Dan Savage exploitatively posting articles about how straight people can also abuse and kill their children. Downright morbid and preaching to the choir. NOBODY reading SLOG needs to be convinced on the gay marriage issue, so I wonder what sick thrill he gets posting those sad articles there.
Slogger bySirLearnsalot2 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
I understand that many people find the SLOG to be far too aggressive, mean-spirited and nasty. On the other hand, I have observed a significant portion of the internet that is far worse (and far more successful) than the SLOG comments section. To me it seems that much of the vitriol and hatred is a bit tongue in cheek and the genuine hatred is easy to glaze over.

I find the SLOG to be my favorite blog (along side Wonkette) in spite of and perhaps because of the mean spirit. I know that the style gets me into long conversations with my girlfriend about just about every post.
huh? byjerrakay2 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
huh? slog is still the best blog and the best source of "alternative" news in seattle. it's easily one of the best city blogs in the world. it's also how i (and i'm sure many others) found out about CHS and other neighborhood/seattle blogs.

the commenters can be incredibly mean -- the meanness of slog commenters was written about on time.com and gawker -- but you don't have to read them if they bring you down. also, i would say most of the regular jerk commenters are more libertarian than progressive.

the morbid stories are not as bad as the "weird news" section of the AP and many other news orgs. that's where many of the stories come from.
Sloggers byWesa2 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
I recently wrote on Metblogs a bit about Slog, Snark, and the mindset that goes with it. It really is a mindset that becomes habit, when you get into it, you don't realize how bad it really can look to those outside of the snark-circle. While I used to snark on a regular basis, I never could reach the level that Sloggers boast about. I've never been able to read more than one or two posts there (usually linked by others who recommended it) because of the level of contempt the commenters have.
... byRyan2 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
After a couple years of dedicated daily reading, I stopped reading Slog about 6 months ago and feel just fine. In fact, I feel better for it. It's not a healthy place.
word bygregor samsa2 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
i stopped reading slog and it was funny how much less negative and hostile my mindset became. if you spend too much time there, you just feel pissed off or agitated all the time.

a bit has been said about the commenters, but one thing about it is that the sloggers themselves set the tone. i remember the irony of reading sloggers complain about the commenters ("commenter" used as a pejorative), when the sloggers set the tone, the discussion, and reinforce the negativity.

so in that sense, j is right on: "Savage and crew might want to think about starting a new and better discussion"
RE: word byhilltop chick2 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse)
I agree. The Slog's writers and editors set the tone. Nasty comments can't sustain in an atmosphere of openness and curiosity. I also stopped reading the Slog this year. It doesn't feel good to walk around the neighborhood paranoid about getting judged and then, in defense, judging others. Thanks for keepin' it real, Justin.
Alternative Fascism Of The Nazoviet Borg Has Thrived On Krapitol Hell For Aeons!!!! bythunar2 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
That whole provincial "haven't really been anywhere" Stranger/Sloganoia scenario is indicative of morons wallowing in their specific Dantesqye concentric circles of hell. They have nothing to offer and as the hooker and booze advertising revenue shrinks for such as the Stranger and their ilk, they'll be scratching each others false eyelashes off and trying to get each other fired first as the layoffs ensue. New Libertine online zine offers some cosmically timely insights into the banal and vapid fakesters of "alternative fascism" all dolled up with nowhere to swill their Pabst. The blackshirt/brownshirt scene intersects quite nicely with the sloganoiacs...they're dating you know!
Okay..Not All Of The Trojans Are Nazoviet Borg...Nonetheless... bythunar2 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Alarmists were freaking about the recent skinhead convention on the Hill. If they had bothered to do their online research they would have discovered them to be a bunch of Trojans (=gay skinhead movement.) Their bigger chapters are in Toronto and LA. Not to be confused with Skinheads Against Racism (SARE), largely White, Asian and Afram skins into early reggae, dub (Trojan label) and vegetarianism with some Straight Edge music scene connections. There are far more subcultures occuring than the yokels have yet to figure out. So if you see a few skins trapsing along Broadway in Doc Martens, green bomber jackets and suspenders, they might be on their way to the Wild Rose to quaff some ales with the lesboskins.
Free Yahoo Seattle Chatrooms Give Good Feedback On PikePinea! bythunar2 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Free Yahoo Seattle Chatrooms are probably one of the better, cleaner and quicker ways to find out who is worst bartender, who gets the snotty barista syndrome award of the week and why Arctic Monkeys may not be the next Led Zepelin. Seattle chats also hip people on clubs and bars to avoid due to unprovoked violence, thuggish employees, credit card behind the counter scams, tip demanding cocktail waitresses and Rohipnol drink spiking lairs. Always important things to warn your friends and neighbors about before wasting time and money.
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